clinton credit, too, because he swung around and did it. >> moderator: can i suggest we forgo rebuttal on this and go to the next -- howell: well, i'd just like to say something really quick. my opponent voted for the largest bailout in the history of our country. my opponent voted for the doughnut hole on medicare that was never paid for. my opponent voted for two unfunded wars. now, ladies and gentlemen, when he says the democrats go back there and they're just going to vote for all these programs, look, i'm just telling the facts on this. i believe that we have to have fiscal responsibility. >> moderator: senator hatch? hatch: well, nobody believes more in fiscal responsibility than i do. but i also believe that when some group of people come in and attack our country and kill 3,000 people, you don't sit back and say, oh, we can't spend money on that. and i don't care what it costs to get out there and let 'em know we're not going to let 'em take over our country and do these things to us! anybody who doesn't believe that doesn't deserve to sit in the united states senate, so it's t